Saturday, November 29, 2008

Rough sketch.





There is nothing too exciting here. Mainly I am posting so that I can reference these sketches easily from work or home during our project.

If you've been following along my kitchen project (I am now tagging the series of posts with the ingenious title, "kitchen renovation"), you'll know that this is a big deal for us because we currently have the shittiest kitchen in all of middle class USA. Come late Jan or early February, I will be able to show you the before and after, and you will seriously wonder why you take any decor advice from a chick who managed to live with a shithole kitchen for 4 years.

I'll have more to post soon about our adventures browsing for a big slab of marble.

Also - I have a problem with our stove. Currently, it's *not* centered as it is in the photo above. It's against the small wall there... the challenge is that the kitchen designer guy drew it this way to center it, which is more appealing, but in a kitchen with so little space, we're considering keeping it to the side and allowing for a little more counter/cabinet space to the right. Currently we don't have a cabinet there. We have a butcher block cart thingy and my Kitchen Aid stand mixer is on the bottom. On the butcher block top, we keep a jar full of utensils, etc., and I am concerned about losing that space. If you have thoughts, I'd love to hear it.

26 comments:

victoria thorne said...

I love your honesty. It's refreshing (to say the least). And you're brilliant to post this...you'll have the best advice from some of the greatest designers...what's not to love? Happy kitchening. This is such fun!

Decorno said...

Your absolutely right. I will get great advice from people. I have already gotten so much help from people. People have been emailing photos and suggestions, too. It's been incredibly helpful.

Decorina said...

Where do the doorways lead? Hard to tell, but the kitchen looks like a wide hallway. And is that an eating area on one end? Is there a plaster archway leading to it? What is in the "notch" next to the stove? Do you have a floorplan?

mortimer's mom said...

I would center the stove. I would guess that the amount of counter space you are currently using on your butcher block is around 24", which is really not much. With this centered set-up, you can still keep your utensils, maybe on the left. And you'll have a sliver of counter on the right to put a pot down or keep your cutting board with your prepped items. plus those narrow cabinets on either side lend themselves to easy storage of tons of stuff like cutting boards and cookie sheets, which will free up space elsewhere.

katiedid said...

Just a quick question: Do you really need a nook? It looks like you could have a really wonnderful kichen space if you could use the nook space for your kitchen and perhaps relocate your range to another larger wall. Most people don't use their Dining Rooms that often, and perhaps you can open the kitchen up to the dining room a little bit and ix-nay the nook. Just a thought.

Jules said...

Keep the stove centered. Having lived with a stove against the wall pre-kitchen remodel, I can tell you two things.

1. You never use the burners next to the wall because it's a pain. You will have to stir left handed if you want to simultaneously hold a pot handle. Sure, you can position the handle slightly forward to avoid them hitting the wall, but it's a safety hazard (please can snag their clothes on pot handles as they walk by) and the handles will get hot as they will hover over other burners. I speak from experience on both counts.

2. It's against California code to have the stove or fire producing element against cabinet, so I suspect it's against Washington code as well.

Aside from those two factors, it just looks cheap and poorly thought out, neither of which represent you and the efforts your putting into the remodel. Don't do it.

Jennifer said...

i agree with posters on centering the stove.

also, i'd put in a sleek range hood and nix the microwave oven. any other place you can put it??

an possibly rethink the upper cabinets on that wall. i'd have to check some mag photos to give any alt suggestion

Jules said...

Jennifer brings up another great point. I have a six burner stove with a microwave above. Terrible mistake on my part. The microwave is incapable of venting all the action that goes on with six, or even 2-3 burners. Our fire alarm goes off somewhat regularly, and it's a pain. When it's not going off, we deal with our fair share of "food air." Anything I cook leaks out of the kitchen and permeates into the rest of the house. Not a problem for some, but can't stand entering the family room in the morning only to smell last night's roasted chicken.

uppergeorgetowner said...

maybe i missed it, but I don't remember seeing the 'before' pics of your kitchen. can we see those??

Decorno said...

http://decorno.blogspot.com/2008/01/making-home-vs-managing-home.html

You asked for it. :)

Those cabinets we did start to paint white and then we just said, fuck it.


Re: the microwave... it's a dilemma. We have so little counter space that we are eager to get it off the counter and up. There is also no easy way to vent any kind of hood over the stove. And I am not sure we need a hood (do we?). I find them a bit masturbatory, like, "here's-my-Viking-range-it-costs-as-much-as-tuition-at-Lakeside." Maybe it's because when I think of them, I only picture those massive McMansion kitchens with the Hummer-sized range and hood combo. I dunno. Maybe we do need one, a small one that is modest and does the job, I just don't know where/how we will vent the thing. Oy. Decisions, decisions.

Katie - I agree we could make better use of the space (that nook). The other people in the house would like to put a table and 2 chairs there and make use of the space. I am not totally sold on that idea and am trying to think through other ways to get more use out of it. Even building in a bench back there with some storage underneath would be a help.

CSS said...

Yes, you will need a hood. Banishing cooking smells and will suck up all the minute particles of grease that float around from cooking (or they end up on your cabinets). I did not want to spend money on it, but I am happy that I did (they have great stainless ones that would look nice with stainless appliances)...It really makes a difference, if you do a lot of cooking. The microwave will also take up too much room, and may not leave you with enough clearance to cook with ease. Can you somehow put the microwave in the base cabinets? Would that take away from your storage?

I would center the stove. I use the space on both sides when I cook, but I make a big mess no matter what I am cooking....

CSS said...

I forgot to mention that if you are not venting to the outside (depending on where that wall is situated), it doesn't really matter what kind of hood you use (the microwave or not) since the air will just be recirculating. Then at that point you will just need to make sure the microwave is set high enough to make cooking/stirring/moving pots from the back burners easy. Sorry for the double post....

Anonymous said...

So exciting! Is there any way you can post a floor plan so we can get a better idea of how the space fits together?

Wanderluster said...

What about switching the stove and refrigerator? This would give free traffic flow around the fridge, and you could have counterspace to the right of the stove. You may even have enough room to put a tall pantry or broom closet beside the fridge.

Decorno said...

Wanderluster.... yes. I don't know why we haven't seriously considered that. That's what we need to do.

The House of Beauty and Culture said...

This should be a contest. With a floor plan as the starting point.

Anonymous said...

Looks like a tight fit. Is the corner, next to the stove, able to be used for kitchen space? It could make all the difference for you current layout. You could use it for a nice big pantry/pot and pan storage. The small base and upper cabs next to the stove would be a good oppertunity for roll out storage cabs. I use em every where they make sense for customers and they all love em. I agree with others posters that the direct vent to the out doors is the best for the range hood. It's also a good thing to find out the CFM of the microwave range hood and the noise level associated with it. Get the highest CFM with the lowest noise, if possible.

hello gorgeous said...

The wall to the left of the stove must have ductwork so you can't take it out?

I was also going to suggest switching stove and frig. Do you have a current layout? Or a layout of the floor we can see? Because I think from comments that the nook is to the left of the frig but that could be useful kitchen space.

The stove, frig and sink seem too far apart without an island or something to set things on. I was just in a house yesterday down the block that had a similar kitchen configuration as this and it's not ideal.

I, like Decorina, would like to know where the doors go. Can you cover the one to the right of the stove? You could make a nook there and use the space to the left of the frig as workspace (continue the counter, move the frig down and add the stove, maybe). Or take out the other doorway and use the space.

If everything was on the sink wall, could you fit an island and still walk past it to get to the other rooms? What is behind the wall opposite the sink? The dining room? If you are spending this kind of money, maybe you want to open up the space.

If the layout needs to be this way, you can get those stainless strips to hang your utensils in back of your stove.

Decorina said...

Someone else made the same comment I wanted to make; consider putting the refrigerator where you show the stove. There would probably be room for a broom closet next to it and it would open up the rest of the kitchen. Refrigerators are such big, hulking things. And you don't spend tons of time standing in front of them. If you put the stove near the sink you can install a pot filler above it - always a convenient thing.

And I agree too with the comment about the hood - if it recirculates the cooking fumes just don't use one.

hello gorgeous said...

After that lengthy comment, it occurs to me there is no door in the nook.

Why not shift your kitchen down so you have a U-shaped workspace and add the stove there and bring the nook over to the right. You could do a built-in bench-type thing in the corner. And put a pantry where the stove is in the sketch.

Anonymous said...

Could you put up with having the microwave installed under the countertop? You'd lose some drawer or cabinet space, but you wouldn't have to put up with a microwave on the countertop and could have a proper hood over the stove. We have a nook in our kitchen as well and had a carpenter build us a banquette - even with his hourly rate & the cost of materials it was cheaper than having the cabinet builder provide the benches and the storage is great.

Decorina said...

Another thought: That location on the short wall for the stove puts you right in the traffic pattern. Bad idea for a busy cook who is trying to work on the stove. I just think I'd put it where the refrigerator is and put the refer where the stove is.

Anonymous said...

Agree with the fridge-stove switchers. You need counter space by the stove. How do you dish stuff up? Parking a turkey will seem like a trek. How about carrying boiling sugar syrup?

Anonymous said...

Get rid of the self rimmed sink. You need an under-counter mounted sink.

Go with one bowl too--way easier to do dishes.

Decorno said...

The sink won't be as shown. The drawings only represent the cabinets, not the other choices we need to make for the room (like the floors, knobs and pulls, backsplash, counters, etc).

Decorina said...

Good point about the sink. If you will have a dishwasher you don't need a double bowl sink and will be able to wash large items easier in a big single bowl sink.